Curse

ogami_ito · Nov 13, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Any one try this?
Swords 16
Strength 10 - 12
Tactics 8-10

Magehunter
Barbarous Slash
Gash
Galrath / Silverwing
either Final Thrust or a tactics skill (Bonetti’s Defence definitely if PvE)
Enraged Charge
Lion’s Comfort
Res Sig

Enraged Charge very quickly fills up adren. Really, this fills it up almost quicker than Dragon Slash IMO, although a Dragon Slash build pretty much keeps the adren up continuously. Hit Enraged Charge. Go into combat. Auto-attack once>Magehunter>Barbarous>Gash>Silverwing>Autoatta ck>Lion’s Comfort>Repeat. With a furious sword mod Final Thrust comes up very quickly. Yeah, you do get low on energy quickly…you have to balance that out. Don’t spam Magehunter too much, but use it when either a)one more quick hit will fill up Final Thrust, or b) using it will charge up Lion’s Comfort for when you need a little extra healing.

I have used it in Pve. Its fun and works. I have not used this in PVP yet though, as up to now I prefer evis>critical chop>executioners. But I think this could be better than evis>executioners for pressure spike. Why? Because this build builds up the initial adren quicker. Check this out…

Normally, you go IAS>Evis>attack skill>Execute. You can go Evis>Protectors/Bull strike> Execute. It takes about 8 seconds at best to charge up this combo. At the end you do +70 damage and deep wounds. Albeit, you have room for a bunch of utility skills.

With this sword attack run, you start with an enraged charge autoattack followed by magehunter. You almost have enough for Barbarous Slice, which does +20 + bleeding. Now Gash, which does +40 plus Deep wounds. Silverwing will probably be charged at the same time as Gash. (in PvE it charges about the same time as everything else) Another +40. Overall, +100 damage + bleeding + deep wounds in about the same amount of time.

As I said I played this in PvE. The core of this build is using Barbarous Slice and Engraged Charge (instead of, say, Sever Artery and an IAS in more traditional builds.) I guess for PvP, “Your are all alone”, or many other elites can be used to sub-out Magehunter.

Opinions are welcome.

Thorondor Port · Nov 13, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

im pretty much running....

magehunter [e]
barbaruos
galrath
silverwing
watch yourself
sprint
cap sig
res sig

and dont flame on me im just ....saying what i use =[

Arkantos · Nov 13, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

im pretty much running....

magehunter [e]
barbaruos
galrath
silverwing
watch yourself
sprint
cap sig
res sig

and dont flame on me im just ....saying what i use =[

Sub silverwing for FT.

ogami_ito · Nov 13, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

OK. the thing is, Barbarous does not add bleeding when you are in a stance...and as I see it, the point of using Barbarous Slash is to add bleeding. Although you probably can time it so that you are not in sprint stance when you use it.

However, I note that your build has cap sig, so it must be a PVE build used when capping skills. I think you would do better with my build in this case (subing out either Lion's Comfort or, if your just playing with NPCs, Res Sig itself), and adding Gash. Why? Because you want to kill a boss. Which means you need to hit that boss hard. Gash does +40 damage and deep wounds (essentially +140 damage) to a boss. If you sub-out Silverwing for Final Thrust, as the above poster mentioned, you will do +300 damage (magehunter +20, Barbarous +20, Galrath +40, Gash + 40, Final Thrust + 80 assuming <50% health, + 100 for deep wounds). And if you sub enraging charge for sprint, you will have the same ability to speed across the terrain, plus you get your combo off quicker.

A Leprechaun · Nov 13, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

i run

HB {e}
barberous slash
sun and moon slash
galrath slash
steelfang slash
whirlwind
watch yourself
lions comfort

it works quite well with good timing of whirlwind and steel fang you can keep spaming for ages

ogami_ito · Nov 14, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

isn't whirlwind an axe skill?

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Nov 14, 2006, 04:06 AM // 04:06

Whirlwind is ele spell that knocks down surrounding foes that are attacking down.

Whirling Axe on the other hand is the 2 adrenaline requirement Axe elite that they use to spike over and over. I myself dont like that skill for it has weak damage when you can far more damage with different axe skills.

Munanko Roha · Nov 14, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

Ogami, are you sure Gash adds +40? Seemed to me it added +20...

jesh · Nov 14, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

It's 21 at 16 swordsmanship.
+40 would make it better for sure.

ogami_ito · Nov 15, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Sorry...I'm wrong on that. Got to re-think this. Still seems better than Dismember...but...not...sure.

QuixotesGhost · Nov 15, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

i run

HB {e}
barberous slash
sun and moon slash
galrath slash
steelfang slash
whirlwind
watch yourself
lions comfort

it works quite well with good timing of whirlwind and steel fang you can keep spaming for ages

That's almost exactly what my PvE warrior is running:

Conjure Lightning
Whirlwind
Hundred Blades {E}
Barbarous Slash
Gash
Sun and Moon Slash
SteelFang Slash
Bonetti's Defense

Quote:

Enraged Charge very quickly fills up adren. Really, this fills it up almost quicker than Dragon Slash IMO, although a Dragon Slash build pretty much keeps the adren up continuously. Hit Enraged Charge.

I'll have to try that. With Savage Slash changed to a 1/2 second skill, it makes it harder to sucesfully use Whirlwind against Aataxes at the begining of a fight so I need adrenaline faster to get to Bonetti's so I have that 75% block chance to get around Savage.

A Leprechaun · Nov 15, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

what are the stats on enraged charge and where can i get it?

sry but wiki is not working for me atm

~A Leprechaun~

ogami_ito · Nov 15, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

You buy it in NF. I bought it with my lvl 20 Canthan warrior. Strength skill, 5e. lasts about 13 second at 13 STR. I think the recharge is 20s. Move 25% faster until hit with attack, at which point gain 3 extra adren.

cR4zY-n^ · Nov 16, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

What a crap skills choices around. :E

DMG combo should be barbarous/sever + gash + quivering blade (or dragon slash for higher but slower dps) and finally a final thrust. And stance would be Frenzy 'cos nothing is better than in Frenzy in whole GW. xD

Then come some fancy things like Lion's Comfort, Watch Yourself/Plague touch and Cap Sig/Res sig.

A Leprechaun · Nov 16, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

^ lame

Rera · Nov 16, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

A few things:
- Enraging charge is +3a every 20s. Dragon Slash is +5a every 5 strikes. I don't see how the two are even comparable.
- Not using an IAS stance is idiotic. 33% faster attack speed increases your DPS by such a ludicrous margin I can't think of a single good reason not to run one. And no, Barbarous Slice doesn't qualify as a good reason.
- Everyone ran Dragon Slash before Nightfall. Why is everyone using Hundred Blades now? Unless it gained some hidden +40 damage bonus I'm not aware of, HB remains a terrible elite.
- Dragon Slash >> Quivering Blade. This has been discussed extensively.
- Frenzy in PvE is moronic.

ogami_ito · Nov 17, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

A few things:
- Enraging charge is +3a every 20s. Dragon Slash is +5a every 5 strikes. I don't see how the two are even comparable.
- Not using an IAS stance is idiotic. 33% faster attack speed increases your DPS by such a ludicrous margin I can't think of a single good reason not to run one. And no, Barbarous Slice doesn't qualify as a good reason.
- Everyone ran Dragon Slash before Nightfall. Why is everyone using Hundred Blades now? Unless it gained some hidden +40 damage bonus I'm not aware of, HB remains a terrible elite.
- Dragon Slash >> Quivering Blade. This has been discussed extensively.
- Frenzy in PvE is moronic.

OK.
1. I guess you are comparing it to Dragon Slash- which is an elite attack skill- because I said that it refills adren almost as fast. I was just making a point. Enraging Charge works great with Dragon Slash and Final Thrust (not both those on the same bar though of course) because it helps you quickly get the initial adren to power those attacks. If you are a PvP DPS-bot, Dragon Slash and sprint work better because you have no crippling attacks so you need sprint on more often. Also note that Dragon Slash is +5a every 5 strikes (actually +6a counting its own sword hit), EXCEPT for the first build up, which requires 10 strikes, and except for if it misses. Enraging Charge is +3 adren when it hits. Before you hit, you are still in the stance, with +25% move and you have another shot to hit.

2. My build is more of a spike-pressure build. Dragon Slash is DPS. Two different uses. For just PVE DPS, Dragon Slash probably works better...but is sort of boring.

3. For a sword warrior, my barbarous build works pretty good against enchanted foes (in PVP) without IAS, using Magehunter. Frenzy sometimes gets you in real trouble. Again...this is for spike. To get a deep wounds combo out as quick as possible while doing some + damage.

4. Barbarous allows you to do this, with added +damage (as opposed to Sever Artery). But Barbarous does not synergize as well with Frenzy because does not deliver bleeding when in stance. You often cannot be in Frenzy when there are enemies around. So you stance change.

5. Dragon Slash and Final Thrust don't synergize well. But if you want to get Final Thrust out quickly - for example, you see a target that has deep wounds and is around 60% health - Frenzy may not be enough to do the trick or you may be in the wrong place to use it.

6. I would not say hundred blades is terrible...but I don't really understand why people are using it now. Is HB in Nightfall but Tripple Chop is not?

7. Here are some other Barbarous builds THAT I HAVE NOT TESTED IN PVP but I'm pretty sure would work OK:

You are All Alone
Barbarous Strike
Gash
Final Thrust
Distracting Blow
Healing Sig
Signet of Malice
Enraged Charge

Here is a build to satisfy your need for an IAS
Whatever elite you want here [e]
Barbarous
Gash
Final Thrust
Enraged Charge
Frenzy
Heal Sig
Res Sig

Rera · Nov 17, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

I'm talking about this statement here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ogami_ito

Really, this fills it up almost quicker than Dragon Slash IMO

Which is misleading at best, and flat-out false at worst. In terms of an adrenaline engine, enraging charge does not even begin to compare to DS. I say +5a because it's 5 additional adrenaline, just as enraging charge is +3a because it's 3 additional adrenaline. Your point about missing is a good one, but the advantage of enraging does not offset the limitation imposed by its 20s recharge. Unless your DS is missing constantly, it is still generating more adrenaline than enraging.

IAS has nothing to do with pressure vs. spike. In addition to increasing your 'pressure damage', it also increases the speed at which you charge your adrenal spike, as well as the speed at which the spike is delivered. A spike involving multiple attack skills that doesn't have IAS can hardly be called a spike.

Barbarous can still be used with an IAS stance - simply activate the stance *after* using barbarous. If barb is the first hit in your combo, the effect is essentially the same.

I would suggest something like these:

PvE version:
Flail
Dragon Slash
Barbarous Slice
Gash
Silverwing Slash/Distracting Blow
Enraging Charge
"To the Limit!"/"Watch Yourself!"/"For Great Justice!"
Res Sig

PvP version:
Frenzy
Dragon Slash
Barbarous Slice
Gash
Steelfang Slash/Distracting Blow
Shock/Bull's Strike
Sprint
Res Sig

Thom Bangalter · Nov 17, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

A few things:
- Not using an IAS stance is idiotic. 33% faster attack speed increases your DPS by such a ludicrous margin I can't think of a single good reason not to run one. And no, Barbarous Slice doesn't qualify as a good reason.
- Everyone ran Dragon Slash before Nightfall. Why is everyone using Hundred Blades now? Unless it gained some hidden +40 damage bonus I'm not aware of, HB remains a terrible elite.

There are warriors builds that don't use an IAS, mostly to go perma-rush and spam prot strike and bull's strike.

Also, I think KGYU ran a hundred blades warrior with conjure flame. It was pretty good.

Rera · Nov 17, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

In the first case, I don't see why you wouldn't run an IAS even then. Rush -> Bull's Strike -> then what? What I would do at that point is hit my IAS stance and unload a spike to take advantage of the KD. And frankly, if all you wanted to do was follow people around and KD them, use a thumper.

I'd like to know why KGYU would do that. Hundred Blades hits one person in PvP. Conjure flames adds, say, +10 per hit. So hundred blades is equivalent to two normal hits and +20 fire damage. Dragon Slash is one normal hit, +38~42 armor-ignoring damage, and +5a. No clue why you would run HB.